including onenote windows vista

...instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

You can submit your feedback directly to Microsoft via this web page http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/sentiments/default.mspx
Josh http://windowsconnected.com
"Adahn" wrote in message

..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message

..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

I raised this with Microsoft together with the question of OneNote being packaged with Office 12 and they told me that at present OneNote was to be a seperate application.
"Josh Phillips" wrote in message

You can submit your feedback directly to Microsoft via this web page http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/sentiments/default.mspx
Josh http://windowsconnected.com
"Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

A lot of Tablets do now :)
Scøtt http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Andre Da Costa wrote:

You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases.

Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

I said Full Version, not time bomb version. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message

Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

The only difference is one hasn't been paid for yet, and the other has. Both versions, when activated have all the same features. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

I said Full Version, not time bomb version. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Good idea, but I think it's going to stay as an Office app, simply because it's too valuable to reside in the OS, where it probably wouldn't get much use.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Adahn" wrote in message

..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

But I want the one that runs forever. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message

The only difference is one hasn't been paid for yet, and the other has. Both versions, when activated have all the same features. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message I said Full Version, not time bomb version. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

"NLWard" wrote in message

Good idea, but I think it's going to stay as an Office app, simply because it's too valuable to reside in the OS, where it probably wouldn't get much use.

Exactly. Valuable enough to let Vista one-up MacOSX on the merit of preinstalled apps rather than just playing catch-up..
How about an un-upgradable "Express" edition or something, which, say, only allows one section, with no sharing, no flag summaries, no research pane etc. but also tighter integration with Vista-specific stuff, such as the Search Engine and so on?
This is too good to pass up, MS..

An express or baby version could be quite good, similar to what was done with Outlook/OutlookExpress and Frontpage/Frontpage express.
Scøtt http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Adahn wrote:

"NLWard" wrote in message Good idea, but I think it's going to stay as an Office app, simply because it's too valuable to reside in the OS, where it probably wouldn't get much use.
Exactly. Valuable enough to let Vista one-up MacOSX on the merit of preinstalled apps rather than just playing catch-up..
How about an un-upgradable "Express" edition or something, which, say, only allows one section, with no sharing, no flag summaries, no research pane etc. but also tighter integration with Vista-specific stuff, such as the Search Engine and so on?
This is too good to pass up, MS..

Then purchase it at your favorite local retailer. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

But I want the one that runs forever. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message The only difference is one hasn't been paid for yet, and the other has. Both versions, when activated have all the same features. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message I said Full Version, not time bomb version. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

But I want the full one with a Tablet. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Chris H." wrote in message

Then purchase it at your favorite local retailer. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message But I want the one that runs forever. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message The only difference is one hasn't been paid for yet, and the other has. Both versions, when activated have all the same features. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message I said Full Version, not time bomb version. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Chris H." wrote in message Hundreds of thousands of trial OneNote versions are already included with portable computers now, not just Tablet PCs, Andre. How many laptops or Tablet PCs do you own? How many OEM web sites have you visited to see the "included software"? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message

Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

I think as a small application it should come as part of Office but not free with the OS.
If we're talking about catching up with OSX then how about an iLife type of thing with Vista. One of the great selling points of OSX is that out of the box you've got nearly everything you need - you hardly need to buy software which is handy seeing as you can't very easily ;-)
And one more point ... Expose (imagine the accent on the 'e') on OSX - fantastic feature if working in apps like Cubase - any chance of a derivitive in Vista? One of the best features.
"Adahn" wrote in message

"NLWard" wrote in message Good idea, but I think it's going to stay as an Office app, simply because it's too valuable to reside in the OS, where it probably wouldn't get much use.
Exactly. Valuable enough to let Vista one-up MacOSX on the merit of preinstalled apps rather than just playing catch-up..
How about an un-upgradable "Express" edition or something, which, say, only allows one section, with no sharing, no flag summaries, no research pane etc. but also tighter integration with Vista-specific stuff, such as the Search Engine and so on?
This is too good to pass up, MS..

Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

heck, I'd just scrap the current Windows Journal, rename the "ONENOTE" brand into that, and include it with Vista.
and then have a Windows Live Journal service or something :)
"Adahn" wrote in message

..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message

Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Windows Journal is a Tablet PC-only application, while OneNote can run on a Tablet PC (with full Ink support), a laptop or desktop. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Adahn" wrote in message

heck, I'd just scrap the current Windows Journal, rename the "ONENOTE" brand into that, and include it with Vista.
and then have a Windows Live Journal service or something :)
"Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

The C300 can take up to 2GB ram actually. Always check www.crucial.com - far more accurate than the manufacturer ;-)
Running it on the machine to test it, fully expecting issues - comes with the territory - just wondered if anyone else had seen this as my other wireless laptop does not seem to do it with Vista. Also thought this was as good a place as any to post questions as there seem to be many people here testing Vista.
"Chris H." wrote in message

You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Oh and it's a Vista test box - don't think the XP memory fix would apply to it. When it had XP2005 I had the fix.
"Chris H." wrote in message

You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

According to what I saw on the Acer web site, it said 1 gig. Maybe they upped it. 8-) Vista isn't ready yet, in fact the latest builds released through the beta or MSDN aren't "beta quality" even. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

Oh and it's a Vista test box - don't think the XP memory fix would apply to it. When it had XP2005 I had the fix.
"Chris H." wrote in message You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Oh, and if you're running over 1 gig of RAM, have you applied the Hibernation fix: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330909/en-us It affects all computers, not just Tablet PCs. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

Oh and it's a Vista test box - don't think the XP memory fix would apply to it. When it had XP2005 I had the fix.
"Chris H." wrote in message You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

"Chris H." wrote in message

Oh, and if you're running over 1 gig of RAM, have you applied the Hibernation fix: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330909/en-us It affects all computers, not just Tablet PCs.

Reading that link, the fix appears unnecessary if you have SP2.
Tom Lake

Acer fixed that -- our CM314XMis came with OneNote installed.
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"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

No, you do need it, Tom. And I apologize because I posted the wrong link: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909095/en-us The patch on the other URL doesn't install on XP SP2, but the one I've listed here does. It is a free phone call, and free download. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tom Lake" wrote in message

"Chris H." wrote in message Oh, and if you're running over 1 gig of RAM, have you applied the Hibernation fix: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330909/en-us It affects all computers, not just Tablet PCs.
Reading that link, the fix appears unnecessary if you have SP2.
Tom Lake

The C300 can take up to 2GB ram actually. Always check www.crucial.com - far more accurate than the manufacturer ;-)

Of course, Tim! Crucial sells RAM! :-} Sorry, couldn't resist.
I'm waiting for the February CTP to try installing Vista on my laptop again. Build 5231 was awful!
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message

The C300 can take up to 2GB ram actually. Always check www.crucial.com - far more accurate than the manufacturer ;-)
Running it on the machine to test it, fully expecting issues - comes with the territory - just wondered if anyone else had seen this as my other wireless laptop does not seem to do it with Vista. Also thought this was as good a place as any to post questions as there seem to be many people here testing Vista.
"Chris H." wrote in message You're running Windows Vista on the machine? No wonder you're seeing issues. It isn't ready for prime time yet. If you're part of the beta, then post your networking bugs to the proper location.
I don't know how you've got 1.2 GB of RAM on the machine, since the manufacturer says it only supports a gig, but if you haven't installed the "memory leak" fix, you should: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c4eebb54-14e3-408e-8c63-0a382e8d9239&DisplayLang=en -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message It has 1.2GB and to be honest it's not that bad ut it tends to stall quite a bit and have to catch up to the pen.
The other strange thing though is that with Vista it will on occasion not see my wireless network at all even though 5 minutes before it did and the other laptop did.
"Chris H." wrote in message Have you looked into increasing the RAM? I believe you can go to a gig of RAM on that unit. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message Acer Travelmate C300 - it's a bit of a dog!
"Chris H." wrote in message Which Tablet PC do you have? -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Tim O'Neill" wrote in message You see I kind of thought it fitted quite well into the Office pack of cards, especially as now days they stick Infopath in there which is not your traditional type of Office product.
As a stand alone for around £80 (straight purchase, no VLA) I would question its' business advantage above a combination of existing products.
and my tablet didn't bother having it there on purchase!
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message You are gonna have a hard time getting the Office Team to do such a thing. What we should be protesting for is Tablet PC manufacturers to include a full version of OneNote with Tablet PC purchases. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Adahn" wrote in message ..instead of the ambiguous Windows Journal?
Why have two [incompatible] programs for the same job? OneNote would be a great "killer" addition to Vista's set of accessories, even if it is some cut-down version...

Outlook/Outlook Express? Seriously, don't go there ;-)
-- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] www.howto-outlook.com
Tips of the month: -FREE tool; QuickMail. Create new Outlook items anywhere from within Windows -Properly back-up and restore your Outlook data
----- ""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" wrote in message

An express or baby version could be quite good, similar to what was done with Outlook/OutlookExpress and Frontpage/Frontpage express.
Scøtt http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Adahn wrote: "NLWard" wrote in message Good idea, but I think it's going to stay as an Office app, simply because it's too valuable to reside in the OS, where it probably wouldn't get much use.
Exactly. Valuable enough to let Vista one-up MacOSX on the merit of preinstalled apps rather than just playing catch-up..
How about an un-upgradable "Express" edition or something, which, say, only allows one section, with no sharing, no flag summaries, no research pane etc. but also tighter integration with Vista-specific stuff, such as the Search Engine and so on?
This is too good to pass up, MS..